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@Balladeer

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3/3: We have to move away from the type of socialism where class struggle and so called 'ideology' puts an end to individual entrepreneurialism in the fields of economics and industry, art and knowledge, including the search for meaning in a physical, metaphysical and spiritual sense. 'Progress' does not happen on the material level where all movements are circular and repetitive.


The important question for us to answer is: what do we want and need after capitalism goes up like a firecracker? What system of socio economic governance gives the largest number of people the most lasting opportunity to experience this elusive thing we call 'progress'? #philosophy #thought #future

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By Timoteo

So I personally think Capitalism doesn't necessarily have to go up in flames, and should go back to what I believe is it's pure, true form the frontier capitalism.


If it does go up in flames no matter what, I'm not certain what economic structure should replace it. But I do think it should be each nations choice to make, and the more decentralized the economy the better.

By Timoteo

This last part is the most interesting, but I'll have to actually really think over this last part.


I feel like in part one what you call Frontier Captalism, that is version b, or the one focused on small business. I believe that's the pure one. When large businesses pop up, and take control of smaller ones lots of times that happens when the government either gives favors to those large corporations, or doesn't do anything to trust bust. 1/2

@Balladeer

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2/3: We see various forms of socialism, and its spirit is totalitarian. Why is its spirit totalitarian? Because the individual is neglected in favour of class. The individual's search for meaning is entirely unimportant, and hence the individual's capacity to take economic decisions is also overlooked in favour of collective class struggle. The leaders of this class struggle operate by central diktat, no matter if it is fascism, communism or euro communism. Socialism and communism become more dictatorial over time.


It is a misnomer to call socialism 'progressive'. #philosophy #thought #future

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By Timoteo

Now, I'm curious about the conclusion. On to part 3. Completely agree with Part 2 on it's own. I still need to see how parts one and two stand together connected with the whole picture of your thoughts on part 3.

@Balladeer

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1/3: We see various forms of capitalism, and its spirit is exploitation. There is a difference between a) capitalism dominated by global corporations, super rich families and powerful interest groups, b) Frontier capitalism composed of many small entrepreneurs exploring and developing some new technological field or geographical area, and c) the mixed economies of some western countries, a capitalist system where the working class is not forced into outright starvation through a system of legally backed wage negotiations, high taxation, and a cradle to grave social security net. All these forms of capitalism become more exploitative over time. #philosophy #thought #future

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By Timoteo

At first I thought you were just gonna blindly attack capitalism, and act like socialism is great. However, I'm intrigued with where this is going. I personally prefer choice b. That's what capitalism is supposed to be. a is more corporatism, and c is getting dangerously close to socialism if not already there in some cases.

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